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 Post subject: Life After Death
PostPosted: Jul 09, 2009 6:00 pm 
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The following post is based on the YouTube Dying Man's Last Words, A Message From God

From Post 21 in: Take heed. This man has something to say to you atheists before he goes to be with Jesus:

I feel so sorry for the man that he was forced to say all that with the little bit of energy he had left. It was definitely not a "message from God," as the title says. It was a sick man's dying words, and he believed it was from God. I am sure his experience was real but it was not a trip to some other place any more than night time dreams are trips.

Some night time dreams feel as real as daytime events and since time immemorial humans have taken these dreams as messages from the Divine. You, Eric, probably do not. Nor should we take this message as a word from the Divine.

The man talks so much about security and change—as though change were something to be feared. He also talks about putting trust in money, houses, and material things—as though that were the only alternative to religion.

Eric, you talk about rejecting the "love of Christ," without providing any evidence that such a Christ exists. Also, you thereby presuppose that there is no love outside of this Christ, for whose existence you provide no evidence. You then go on to suggest that there are two alternatives for humans after death: torment or bliss. As others show in this thread, not all humans subscribe to your specific ideas about what happens at death.

You fail to address the issue of death as the end. You provide no evidence whatsoever for life after death. A near death experience is NO EVIDENCE because the person who had the NDE was not actually dead.

Someone suggests that humans will have a bodily existence after death. That is definitely not what I was taught or believed as a Christian and it is not what I would want if I survived death. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be in a physical body in heaven, or in the new earth. Bodies have to be maintained and maintaining a body is not my idea of eternal bliss.

My idea of eternal bliss would be to sit at the feet of Jesus like Mary did, and to learn of him all the answers to all the things I have always wanted to know. Surely eternity would not be long enough to answer all my questions. But I would never have to take time off to eat, sleep, or go to the bathroom.

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FROM Post 27 in 23 Minutes in Hell:

Craig wrote:
If the muslim had a "vision" or "Out of body" experience where he met allah and the virigins...would you believe him or be skeptical? You cant be all accepting of one view and be skeptical of another....be skeptical of everything...eat the hay and leave the sticks.
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That was a major piece of evidence for me about the existence/nonexistence of God and the spirit world.

In my study of other religions (commonly known as primitive or Aboriginal religions) I found that these people had the exact same kind of religious experiences that Christians had, and that they would revert to the religion of their childhood when faced with death. One man shared about a near death experience, or a dream he had when he was delirious (that is how it was explained back then).

He thought he went to heaven but he did not see any moccasin footprints; all he saw was the boot prints of white men. When he recovered, he returned to the beliefs of his own people because he did not want to be in heaven alone with white people. That told me he experienced the exact same thing that very many people experience who are, or were, Christians.

I read and learned about so many other similar experiences. They are too many to ignore. All religions and deities are equal. The reason Christians disagree is that they have never been True Believers in any other religion. If readers consider that statement to be false, please explain and provide the evidence to support your argument.

Thank you.

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