Christian (Post 6) says Thor does not have the attributes of gods. I respond in Post 25:

Steve, apparently you have not done your homework.

Re attributes of gods:

Create

• Polynesian Mythology gods are pretty good at creating.
• Judeo-Christian God
• Allah
• very many others

Father/Sire Off-Spring

• Polynesian Gods
• Judeo-Christian God
• Thor
• very many others

Day Named After Him

• Judeo-Christian God (Sunday)
• Thor (Thursday)
• five others of the conventional 7-day week of the West

Planet Named for Him

• Thor (Jupiter)
• Mithras/Jesus (Sun)
• etc.

Protects Humans Against Powers of Evil

• Allah
• Polynesian Gods
• Thor
• Judeo-Christian God
• many other gods

Provides Food and Shelter for Humans

• Polynesian Gods
• Aboriginal Gods
• Judeo-Christian God
• very many other gods

Forerunners of Jesus

• Polynesian Gods
• Hindu Gods
• Aboriginal Gods throughout the World
• Thor
• God of Abraham (Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God)
• many thousands others

In very many places, Christian churches and cathedrals were built on top of the ruins of the places of worship to the previous god or gods.

Forerunners of YHWH

• the biblical Elohim (plural) and Ba'als

Subject to Birth And Death

• Jesus
• Thor
• Dionysus
• many, many others

Ancient of Days

If being "old" is the criteria for a "god" then Jesus and/or the Judeo-Christian God is the new religion and upstart in practically all the places he is being worshipped today throughout the entire world, with the possible exceptions of a few places in the Middle East and India. Where he was originally worshipped, other gods and/or religions now reign.

Thor was replaced in Uppsala as recently as 1080.

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There you've got the facts.

Faith that ignores facts will obviously sweep all of this under the rug. Such faith, however, cannot claim to be reasonable; it is nothing more than blind belief. That is my position and I think it is defensible.

I conclude that since there is zero evidence for God's existence it is preposterous--not to mention dangerous to the life of humanity and the planet in general--to live as though there were a God. This is the case because humans imagine this God to dictate orders in keeping with their own greedy and self-centred destructive goals. If 9/11, and the ensuing War on Terrorism, has not driven this home to you...I better restrain myself from typing the words lest the screen explode.

ADDED FOR ATHEIST APOLOGIST: As for the Christian God. He has not told his followers to use suicide for political agendas, unless war can be considered an act of suicide. And sometimes I think this is an open question. However, he is shouting into the ears of his followers in the last century or so that they absolutely must come up with an alternative means of origins of the universe to evolution. And in the process they absolutely must revolutionize mainstream Western culture, academia, and society as a whole.

The agenda of the Christian and Muslim God is so far advanced in the United States as to make it a serious threat regarding human life. Unless something intervenes fast, the impact of this will begin to be felt as early as the next thirty to fifty years. When the present generation of medical scientists has died off--and earlier, we are looking at health care oriented from an intelligent design perspective.

This will impact sanitation, and disease diagnosis and treatment, for starters. It will halt the progress of science. The education of science has already been halted, or significantly impeded, in major geographical areas of the world including a number of states in the United States and in one or more Muslim countries.

I am encouraged to note that Canada and Europe are opening new science centres, and that East Asians are thriving economically and intellectually.

Post 31



By what authority is your god--or the concept thereof--a necessary being?

Sorry, that doesn't work. You're confusing between the concept of reality and reality itself. That doesn't work.

Remember Plato's Cave? The shadows on the walls are merely concepts. It is necessary to come out of the cave and into the sunshine and to see the real live animals.

Perhaps when you produce evidence of your god, and not merely the concept thereof, we can talk. I understand the concept; it's the real live being that I can't find hide or hair of. You must understand that I am speaking allegorically. There is no "hide or hair" in an atom, either, but there is evidence of its existence. Provide the same kind of evidence for your god and I will believe.

MorleyMcMorson does not accept my answer.

Post 38



Sorry, sir, but that does not fit the reality of the human experience. Logic is experienced by humans as being consistent with the five sense, the intellect, and emotions, over against the known universe.

"God"--your own or anyone else's--is neither necessary nor impossible for this, but irrelevant. Feel free to prove me wrong.